Potential Zhi Dang Chui application

[angryclown]

I couldn't get it to embed:

https://fb.watch/vHGQaXi8Cc/

This is a wrestling application, so it goes to the ground, but I wonder with some workshopping and lower basin practice if it couldn't be made to work with Zhi Dang Chui.

This is how an arm drag is most typically taught as a way to get around or behind your opponent:

The first application seems to assume that your opponent has at least some training, so is going to try and circle around to protect their back in response to an arm drag.

 

[angryclown]

Same basic takedown done when they're already on the ground.

It might actually be closer to Ji De Chui, with how the right shoulder rolls inward to apply pressure.

 

[Marin]

I couldn't get it to embed:

Youtube made a recent change, now many thing are not embedding properly.

I couldn't get it to embed:

https://fb.watch/vHGQaXi8Cc/

This is a wrestling application, so it goes to the ground, but I wonder with some workshopping and lower basin practice if it couldn't be made to work with Zhi Dang Chui.

This is how an arm drag is most typically taught as a way to get around or behind your opponent:

The first application seems to assume that your opponent has at least some training, so is going to try and circle around to protect their back in response to an arm drag.

I could use some context to understand what you are looking at for the relationship to Zhidang Chui or Ji Di Chui.

 

[angryclown]

The basic action is to drag the opponent's right arm across to your right side. If the opponent gets spun, then you can get behind them. The trained wresting response is for them to walk to their left (your right) and maintain orientation towards you. The application on fb is keep a hold of their right arm with your left, and fall forward into the gap behind the legs. You would use your right arm to block their right knee so they can't take a recovery step, thus allowing you to pull them to the ground.

In the context of zhidang chui, the liu before the strike would represent the arm drag (probably from a smaller stance), and instead of falling forward, step out in the wide stance when they try to circle around and pull on their upper right arm with your left, while using your right to block/attack the back or side of their right knee. I'm not sure of the actual directions of force needed to make them fall, but the general shape seems closest to zhidang chui.

 

[Marin]

The basic action is to drag the opponent's right arm across to your right side. If the opponent gets spun, then you can get behind them. The trained wresting response is for them to walk to their left (your right) and maintain orientation towards you. The application on fb is keep a hold of their right arm with your left, and fall forward into the gap behind the legs. You would use your right arm to block their right knee so they can't take a recovery step, thus allowing you to pull them to the ground.

In the context of zhidang chui, the liu before the strike would represent the arm drag (probably from a smaller stance), and instead of falling forward, step out in the wide stance when they try to circle around and pull on their upper right arm with your left, while using your right to block/attack the back or side of their right knee. I'm not sure of the actual directions of force needed to make them fall, but the general shape seems closest to zhidang chui.

We will have to try it out.