Passby/Shuck from wrestling

angryclown

Jingang

This is a fun/interesting technique. I wouldn't necessarily say that we have this technique exactly, but there are certainly places in yilu that build the framework for it.
 

Marin

Lao Tou
Staff member

This is a fun/interesting technique. I wouldn't necessarily say that we have this technique exactly, but there are certainly places in yilu that build the framework for it.
Interesting move. I like to find the still frame of these videos that illustrates what rules/context allows it to succeed while we never see it as an eventuality. Rules of the game define all of us. In this case I would not think of this because we want to stay on our feet and keep some connection, whereas these guys are ready to take a dive and act like a seal, flopping in all kinds of directions.

If you freeze it right before the move is executed you can see the younger student on the front of his foot with the heel lifted while applying that forward pressure. That is also part of their game, but not ours. Is that forward commitment absolutely necessary to take advantage of for the move to succeed, or not be blocked? Interesting study that would be. How would we change to negate the move? I can think of a few. How would we apply our version of this? I can also think of a few. Xiexing is definitely at least one.
 
I was thinking the the xiexing response to a head lock Marin showed us this week. Would that work as a response to this? Seems like it might be hard to pull off at speed, but potentially a viable response to train.
 

angryclown

Jingang
I think the opponent's forward pressure is essential to making the technique work, and that's actually what I found interesting about it. Most of us only get to practice against other taiji guys, and that can make it hard to deal with committed forward pressure from a trained athlete. I think there are some juicy tidbits in the technique with how he encourages the forward pressure but still controls it. I think we have similar jins in terms of how he blocks the opponent's aggression while preventing the level change, then has the weight drop and turn to capitalize on the overcommitment. That's why I was thinking we don't have the technique per se, but we have a lot of the component elements done in our own way.
 
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