Random Conspiracy Theory on Taijiquan's Jumping

[Robin Wu]

I had this thought:

What are the chances that the dramatic jumps and hops in Yang Style is actually their interpretation of Chen Style's jumps?

Chen Style does have jumping in their form, but one usage of it seems to quick flashes to change angles.

But how likely would it be that Yang Style, having originated from Chen, ended up interpreted Chen's jumping as a response to being mildly inconvenienced?

Because some of them do train jumping back intentionally, on purpose, as a "I'm supposed to do this". Some justify it as their way of... mitigating the opponent's force to regain balance.

But for a normal person, I'd imagine that's just called stepping.

 

[Andy Malone]

What are the chances that the dramatic jumps and hops in Yang Style is actually their interpretation of Chen Style's jumps?.

The forms I studied had very little jumping. The Wu style I learned has 1 jump. If you have an example I wouldn't mind seeing it.

There is a lot more Yang style wackiness than Chen though. I don't think Yang Chen Fu had any jumps in his form. The story I heard, is the original Yang style had many leaps and jumping kicks.... Etc. Yang Chen Fu modified it to make it easier.

 

[Marin]

The forms I studied had very little jumping. The Wu style I learned has 1 jump. If you have an example I wouldn't mind seeing it.

There is a lot more Yang style wackiness than Chen though. I don't think Yang Chen Fu had any jumps in his form. The story I heard, is the original Yang style had many leaps and jumping kicks.... Etc. Yang Chen Fu modified it to make it easier.

He's talking about the hopping in response to being pushed.

 

[Robin Wu]

He's talking about the hopping in response to being pushed.

Yes, so for example... here's one of the approaches in Yang Style that I don't normally see:

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In response to a light touch, the recipient, instead of jumping back, performs a 360 degree aerial spin.

Now... based on my conspiracy (which I am not taking seriously)... we technically do have these 360 degree aerial jumps in Er Lu such as Sequence #53 - Dào Chā (Inverted Pierce).

As Andy said, allegedly, original Yang had leaps and jumps that were removed.

I just wonder... what if... those original Yang jumps were later interpreted by the later generations of Yang Style as a response to being pushed.

Also, Marin, do you know of a Vincent Chu? I believe he is in Massachusetts. That GIF depicts Vincent Chu.

 

[Andy Malone]

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I just wonder... what if... those original Yang jumps were later interpreted by the later generations of Yang Style as a response to being pushed.

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Lmao. That is the dumbest shit I have ever seen. Chen wannabes.... maybe.

There isn't any jumping in their form, so they get it out in tui shou. Jumping is fun. They are missing the jumps I believe. You are correct.

 

[Marin]

Also, Marin, do you know of a Vincent Chu? I believe he is in Massachusetts. That GIF depicts Vincent Chu.

Yes, yes he is a known entity, a stain on the undies of the martial body of the state. I don't know him personally, but the lore, the absolute silliness has permeated the region.

 

[Kozmo]

I was hoping my tai chi practice would help mitigate a debilitating head-forward posture as aging occurs . . . .
https://www.reddit.com/r/taijiquan/comments/1o06o2a

 

[angryclown]

There are some pretty old videos of people doing hopping in Yang tai chi demos. As far as I know, Chen style was not a factor, at all, until sometime in the 90's when it became the new hot extra special "martial" tai chi. So I doubt Chen style would have had any material impact on the Yang commercial silliness prior to Chen style itself becoming relevant as commercial competition. I tend to think that pretty much any style is fully capable of self-corruption without drawing on external sources for inspirational stupidity.

 

[Andy Malone]

Here is a long demo by his father Gin Soon Chu. There are many spinning jumps in this video. He also does an Emperor Palpatine tech on the student. The student is frozen and starts convulsing like he is being shocked by lightning bolts. They can't stop the jedi master from toying with them like the puppet they are. Maybe they saw Star Wars and got inspired by that. I don't know.

 

[Andy Malone]

Supposedly Hong Jun Sheng could launch people in the air. Chen Fake could too, if you believe the rumors. Chen Xiaowang said his father could launch people way up high. Many legends exist, and feed into this obviously fake dramatic spectacle which is about attracting students. I read that the students are coached into participating in this theatre. Only the senior students are selected to perform and participate.

I never saw this as a Yang style thing. It's essentially a human thing. They need to make money, and I honestly don't care. Im from the street mind. You have to watch your own back. If you aren't careful, somebody is going to beat you up and steal your money.

The two serious Wu/Yang style teachers I have interacted with are both highly skilled martial artists They both knew chin na, grappling, and striking. They can both jump really good too. I never saw any bullshit from either of them.